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Poster: drspark61 Date: Jun 30, 2012 8:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Live music recording advice?

I’m sure someone here has info on this. I need some quick and dirty advice on live music recording. My band is doing a couple of simple videos. Camera locked down on the tripod. Nothing fancy. The camcorder has a stereo mic input, so I thought I’d try to improve on the built-in mics. Our sax player volunteered some microphones he used with a Sharp minidisk recorder years ago. They’re very small condenser lavalier mics, with a phantom power unit that has a limiter switch. There’s no writing anywhere on it, so I don’t know who made them. I’ve played around with them using the camcorder, and they definitely are an improvement over the onboard mics. So how should I set them up for the video recording? Is there an optimum distance from the band, from the ground and between the mics? How should I orient them – straight ahead, angled out or ORTF? We’ll be playing outdoors for the shoot, BTW. Thanks in advance.

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Poster: dyneq Date: Jul 1, 2012 4:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Live music recording advice?

OK, here's a nickel's worth of free advice (I've recorded many times before):

Placement is key! You can make amazing recordings with less expensive equipment if you are in the right location. Get the mics up high (at least 8') on a stand right near the soundboard (in between the stacks). Since you're outdoors, you run the risk of wind noise if the mics are cardioid (unidirectional), so you may want to make a DIY 'dead cat' (search on that and you'll find some ideas).

As far as mic pattern goes, it really depends on whether or not your mics are omnidirectional or cardioid. For omnis, try a 3' or so spread pointing straight ahead. For cards, I like the NOS or DIN patterns. For best results, take the time to get the angles and spacing right. I clamp my mics to a ruler so I can get it dialed in easily.

Here's a nice article by Bruce Bartlett that explains all of the stereo mic patterns (very easy to read):

http://www.deltamedia.com/resource/stereo_microphone_techniques.html

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jul 2, 2012 3:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Live music recording advice?

As said before , if you are outside you need wind /spit socks .I'm sure there is a more tecky name for them but if you don't you will p/u all thenoise from the surrounding area. from the ouside ,horns, sirens wind and on it goes.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Jul 1, 2012 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Live music recording advice?

Quick and dirty...from behind the camera, as you face the band, mic on your left points to the right side of the band, mic on your right points to the left side of the band. This should help eliminate any phase issues that might pop up. 5 or 6 feet high. Fiddle with the orientations, and find the sweet spot.

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Poster: vapors Date: Jul 1, 2012 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Live music recording advice?

Some time browsing tapersection.com would be time well spent. Good luck!

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Poster: chris in long beach Date: Jun 30, 2012 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Live music recording advice?

Ok, forgive me for stating the obvious....

Is there any way you can record straight from the soundboard?

If so, you can get some simple editing software (like Sony Vegas) to sync up the audio and video.

If that's not possible, consider getting something like the Zoom H2. You can get em for around $200, and they sound damn good.

But, whatever you do, you will probably be much better off recording the audio and video separately (there's a good chance that, even with external mics hooked up, you'll get a lot of audio distortion with the video camera).

Hope that helps!

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Jul 1, 2012 10:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Live music recording advice?

Chris, I know a soundboard feed would be ideal, but we won't be mic'ing the drums. In fact, vocals and sax probably will be the only thing going through the board. So totally AUD. It's a quick and dirty project for our singer, who wants an audition video for that reality show The Voice. Someday we'll do it right.

Vapors, thanks, I'll check out that site!